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hello there. happy friday. i'm john berman. >> a high five for that. i'm michaela pereira. those stories and more right now "@ this hour." >> a dispute over grazing rights morphed into a discussion about overt racism with a side order of debate over guilt by association. this truly is a remarkable thing and this is the background. cliven bundy, nevada rancher, became a conservative darling recently during his standoff with the federal government. the issue, bundy's cattle have been grazing on public land for 20 years while he paid no taxes, no fees, no nothing. >> he claims the land has been in his family for generations. some people on the political side rallied on the political right specifically to his side after he was taking a stand against big government. well, then this happened. >> i want to tell you one more thing i know about the negro. they abort their young children.
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they put their young men in jail because they never learned how to pick cotton. are they better off as slaves picking cotton and having family life or are they better off in a government subsidy? >> as you can imagine, those comments drew all sorts of condemnation from right and left. suddenly a story about grass and land turned into a giant grass fire consuming the political landscape. bundy has been defending his comments since then. our chris cuomo had a long talk with him earlier today. >> i understand the government was aggressive you and people think it was wrong. people are upset with the government. the question is what is our reaction? you wonder if negroes weren't better off as slaves? are you a racist? >> no, i'm not a racist. i did wonder that. let me tell you something. you know, i thought about this this morning quite a bit.
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>> please. >> i thought about what reverend martin luther king said. and i thought about rosa park taking her seat at the front of the bus. now, reverend martin luther king did not -- did not want her to take her seat in the front of the bus. that wasn't what he was talking about. he did not say go to the front of the bus and that's where your seat was. what reverend king wanted was that she could sit anywhere in the bus and nobody would say anything about it. and you and i can sat by her anywhere on the bus. that's what he wanted. that's what i want. i want her to be able to sit anywhere in the bus and i want to be able to sit by her anywhere in that bus. that's what he wanted. he didn't want this prejudice thing like media tried to put on me yesterday. i'm not going to put up with
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that. that's not what he wanted. that's not what i want. i want to set by her anywhere in that bus and i want anybody to be able to do the same thing. that's what he was after. not a prejudice thing but make us equal. do you understand what i'm saying? >> you know what, i kind of do. i'm not sure that i understand it. i understand that martin luther king's message was one of peace and freedom. when you suggest that you were wondering if blacks were better off as slaves, that's the opposite of freedom and very offensive to people and i think you probably know that. >> let me tell you. i took this boot off so i wouldn't put my foot in my mouth with the boot on. let me see if i can say something. maybe i sinned. maybe i need to ask forgiveness and maybe i don't know what i actually said. you know, when you talk about
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prejudice, we're talking about not being able to exercise what we think and our feelings and we don't have freedom to say what we want. if i say negro or black boy or slave, i am not -- those people cannot take those kind of words and not be offensive, then martin luther king hasn't got his job done yet. i should be able to say those things and it shouldn't offend anybody. >> chris cuomo is here to talk to us more and also dan simon is in nevada a few miles from bundy's ranch. i want to start with you, dan. you have followed this story from the beginning. based on what happened overnight and this morning with chris, what's the reaction out there been? >> reporter: i can tell you that
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he still has his share of supporters. a lot of them have backed away. there is one gentleman in particular that you couldn't help but notice that he's standing by bundy's side and that's one of his bodyguards. his name is jason. he was in the army for six years. we noticed him quite simply because he's african-american and i wanted to ask him about his thoughts about bundy openly speculating about whether african-americans would be better off as slaves and this is what he told me. >> i would take a bullet for that man if need be. i look up to him just like i do my own grandfather. i believe in his cause and after having met mr. bundy a few times, i have a real good feel about him and i'm a pretty good judge of character. he treats me as his own family. >> reporter: the irony with that one obviously is super thick. the broader thing is that when bundy talks in these sweeping
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anti-government tones, it appeals to certain people who live in nevada, certain people who live in las vegas, that gentleman is one of them. he's not changing his opinion about mr. bundy. bundy has always treated him with respect. how he got into this situation is a mystery. how he talked about land rights and now race relations is a mystery. mr. bundy wasn't asked about this. he started talking about it during a news conference and found himself in this predicament. >> that's a good point that have many people scratching their heads. i want to bring chris cuomo in. dan, stick around with us. chris, i know it was sort of a risk assessment deciding to have him on our show today on "new day." you wanted to let him speak to the comments is that he made earlier. >> i think that i was hoping that race stuff would be a distraction. that's what it is. you can probably -- how do we explain the african-americans standing by his side, the man that's his bodyguard.
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maybe if you know this is about sophistication than what is in his head and heart. we don't know. maybe this man does. it's certainly something that has to be rejected this type of notion. we all know that. you have to hold him to account because he's become relevant in another way. the bigger concern for me is i didn't expect him to bring a dead calf to the show. i almost killed the interview. i thought it was a stunt. and frankly if anyone is to blame for that calf being dead is him. he created this situation by not paying fees. he's as wrong on the law as he is on race in this situation. i think that you move through the race as quickly as you can to not give too much air to that kind of sentiment because it's not worth it. but as we often see in these stories, when you play to the extreme in politics and that's what happened here. they liked this narrative, certain members of the right, of being anti-government. hostile toward overreaching. when you play with extremes, you get extremes.
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>> the question is he just a stunt? don't answer that now. we'll come back and talk more about this in a second. >> stick around. we'll have more on this interview with cliven bundy. we know it took a bizarre turn. we'll play more of that interview when we come back. peoi go to angie's listt for all kinds of reasons. to gauge whether or not the projects will be done in a timely fashion and within budget. angie's list members can tell you which provider is the best in town. you'll find reviews on everything from home repair to healthcare. now that we're expecting, i like the fact i can go onto angie's list and look for pediatricians. the service providers that i've found on angie's list actually have blown me away. find out why more than two million members count on angie's list. angie's list -- reviews you can trust.
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would use. i want to warn you, you might find a little disturbing the sight of a dead calf. if it bothers you, it's part of the clip. >> this dead calf died this morning. he's been without his mother two weeks and we found him -- actually, the fish and wildlife people down in overton, nevada, found this calf and called us. we picked this calf up last night and tried to save his life but he had been too long without a mother. he's been badly abused. you can see his tongue here. let me lay the calf down. >> that's probably a good idea given that it's a little early and a lot of families are watching, mr. bundy. we don't want to upset them too much. >> well, you know, they ought to be upset. america can't even stand a dead calf? we got a lot of dead calves around here. i want to show you these bottles right here.
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these bottles here. they are going to feed calves if mothers are dead or gone. we got about 27 calves. this dead calf represents one of many. america is too darn soft hearted to see a dead calf? >> let's talk about that, mr. bundy. who is being soft hearted and who is being hard hearted. why do you think that calf is dead? is that calf dead because somebody killed it or is it dead because of your reluctance to followthrough with the laws that every other rancher in your state complyies with. who is responsible for the dead calf? >> i'll tell you who is responsible for it. this calf would produce something for america and now this half is dead. we produce for america. they are producers. we're not out here just having fun and having a party. we're out here trying to produce
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food for you people. that's what we're doing. i had a legitimate business here in clark county, nevada, following all of the nevada state laws and tried to produce for you people. now you're hollering about i'm not equal and not keeping up with the rest of the ranchers. the rest of the ranchers are tired of this also. >> i understand what you're saying in terms of ranchers frustrations with the government. i'm not hollering. i think you know that. what is the point of complaint about you, mr. bundy, is that you don't do what other ranchers do. you haven't done it for 20 years. you're supposed to pay for the use of the land. your state constitution says that you should pay for it. the constitution in your pocket that you have inside your jacket says that the government, the federal government, can own land. you know all of this but you're resisting the rules. >> how much land does this say they can own? how much land does it say they own? you tell me how much land it says they can own.
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that's a very good question. they said in five minutes you can figure out how much land they can own. you tell me. >> the constitution in article 1 section 8 and in the fifth amendment gives the federal government the right to appropriate and purchase land. your state constitution recognizes -- >> for what purpose? >> for purposes that it deems appropriate. >> for what purpose can they do it? it don't say that. >> absolutely it does. you should read the book instead of just holding in your pocket maybe. when you look at the state constitution, it says that it respects the federal law. that's why your ranchers, your brother and sister ranchers, pay the fees that you refuse to. now you come on the show. you hold up a dead calf and that makes everybody upset. you should look at yourself for why the calf is dead because if you paid the fees, this wouldn't have happened, isn't that a fair point? >> no, it's not. >> because? >> it's not a fair point at all.
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this is the united states of america. i live in a sovereign state of the state of nevada. and i abide by all of the state laws. i'll be damned if this is a property of the united states. they have no business here. they have no business harassing my cattle. abusing this calf to the point he's dead. they left this calf for two weeks without a mother. >> mr. bundy -- >> we happened to find it and we weren't able to save it last night. >> he brought a dead calf. he bought a boot with spurs that he carries with them every day that pocket constitution. you talked about stunts. those are stunts. those are side shows here. there is a central issue though that in some ways legally speaking isn't particularly ambiguous. >> nowhere he's concerned. the federal government, the constitution is clear. state adaptation of it in nevada in this case is clear. that's why over 10,000 ranchers
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are paying the fees and very often the fees are submarket fees. lower than what private sector would charge. there's that. however, you said something that i think is very instructive. is he being used as a stunt? politics comes into play. automatically there's jaundice in terms of how clean this all is. when you attach yourself to someone like him, no judgment involved, i'm sorry to put him out there this way. i don't want to make him a judgment for his thoughts on race. that shouldn't be why he's relevant. when you put him out there, you play with extremes. without knowing who you are dealing with, you'll get extreme behavior and it's unproductivityiunproductive and hurtful. this is what happened. it's a slap on the wrist for those that got behind him. not because they adopt his racist thoughts. i don't believe it they do. when you play to the extremes and make politics by that. you're going to get bit. the question is when. >> dan simon, we talk about political aspect of this and how
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certain folks are hanging onto this although they are starting to back off. i am curious if you hear from people in the community who are not as supportive given the comments that he's made. >> reporter: at this point, no. they are standing by him. chris makes an excellent point in terms of why people rallied one thing i will say is that the reason why this resonated with so many folks in this neck of the woods is because the background in all of this. it was 1993 actually when bundy stopped paying fees. he actually did pay fees before then. the government came in in 1993 and said they wanted to protect the desert tortoise in this neck of the woods. and bundy said he wasn't going to abide by that. they wanted to limit the amount of cattle that could be in the land. and so bundy said i'm not going to do that. i'm not going to pay the fees. and so the government decided, well, we'll just yank your cattle because you haven't been
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paying fees for 20 years. as soon as the armed marshals came in, that's when you saw the militia members come in and come to bundy's side. and that, you know, argument that bundy was making resonated with them. he won. the feds backed down. for some unknown reason, it's never been made clear to me, he just started spouting off about race and that's why he finds himself in so much trouble. >> you go from a desert tortoise to a land right issue to racist comments. a lot of people are having a hard time following the bouncing ball. there may be a discussion at the center of it worth having but to go to this point, that's what a lot of people are struggling with. >> there's a fundamental point here. he has a hard time for government subsidies for some people at some time but he is willing to graze on public land. ahead this hour, underwater search for flight 370 is set to expand. we'll take you live to perth,
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we are now beginning week eight in the search for flight 370. the talk is about expanding the deep sea search area. as we speak, the bluefin-21 is scanning the final 5% of the underwater area where authorities believed is the most probable place that that flight ended. so far though the sub keeps coming up empty. the families of 239 people missing on that flight today stage ed a protest.
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they gathered outside malaysia's agency in beijing to demand answers about their loved ones. >> they might just get some answers. malaysia's prime minister says his government will release a preliminary report on the plane's disappearance. we're told that will happen next week. our richard qwest pressed the leader to find the plane regardless of the cost. >> we owe it to the families. we will search. we will spend as much as we can. as much as we can afford to find the missing plane. >> could i ask you for a yes or a no on that question? >> it would be a question but as i said, it has to be on the basis of our affordability. we owe it to the families to find answers that they are looking for. >> the families of those onboard flight 370 say they are not giving up hope on their loved ones even if they can't get answers from malaysian
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officials. overnight i spoke with sara whose partner, phillip, was on the plane and she's fed up with the way things are being handled. >> actions speak louder than words. the briefings have been a joke. at the beginning they had officials at the beginning would laugh at questions produced by families and they would not answer the questions. it's been a recurring theme. the patience level of the family group is gone. >> we'll have more on that interview in just a few minutes including what she thinks the truth may be on what happened to that plane. >> i think it's mind-boggling for a lot of people that not a single piece of debris has been found in the 49 days since that jet vanished. i want to take you live to perth, australia, right now. erin mclaughlin is there. let's talk about this initial search for bluefin-21. we know that there's an
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expansion plan in the works. more resources and expanded area and maybe even some fresh eyes. >> reporter: that's right. today australian authorities putting out a statement sort of responding to some of those questions about what next. what happens when and if they actually end up ruling out the current search area which is their best guess as to where the black box may be. and they are saying now that the bluefin-21 will start searching some of the adjacent areas. no mention of any additional submersibles being added to the mix. something here people are wondering about considering there are more powerful submersibles out there. it can go a mile deeper into the ocean and stay out there for weeks on end. we asked that question. so far we don't get any answer. we know it's something malaysian and australian officials are discussing. >> we want to talk to you about
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another situation. a bit of a turn here that doesn't involve another airliner. this one was an australian plane that had a hijack scare. can you tell us more about what happened there and what we know now? >> reporter: it sounded scary. a virgin australian flight from brisbane, australia, this morning to bali and an unruly passenger disrupted things onboard that flight according to local media. the pilot actually turned on the emergency transponder more than twice. thankfully in the end the plane landed safely. that unruly passenger was taken into custody at the airport and passengers were able to proceed as normal. >> i can imagine given how much mh370 has been in the news, i imagine that caused extra panic for those folks aboard that flight and especially for folks in australia. >> let's bring in the author of "why planes crash." let's talk about that flight right there.
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that virgin flight. a passenger starts banging on the cockpit door trying to get in. maybe he was just drunk. still, how dangerous a situation is that? >> extremely dangerous. not only just from the fact that he's trying to get in and it excites the passengers becoming unmanageable within the cabin but then you have the worry of the distraction of the pilots from flying the aircraft and having to deal with that emergency opposed to flying the aircraft. >> let's turn to flight 370. it's a topic we stick with and we need to because we're into day 49 of this search. australians are talking about the need to expand the search area for the bluefin-21. is that the way to go at this point in your estimation or is the idea to bring in new tools, new eyes, do now math and start from there? >> i think that there's a step before we bring in new eyes and new tools. not new tools though. the new math, we're in the right
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direction to calculate where they are at is good data. pings are good data. expanding the search makes sense. what doesn't makes sense to me is they haven't called in additional equipment that can go deeper because new areas they are talking about are much deeper than where they have about. >> i want to press you on that. people say we have to search there because it's the best information we have. just because it's the best, does that necessarily mean it's the right information? at this point, can you still be 100% confident that is correct? >> well, the pings, yes. the fact that it's the best -- we heard that from the very beginning. this is the best lead we have. best information we have. and that is kind of a copout because there's no other information. this is all they with. it's a nuance as to how it's being said. nonetheless, the confidence i have in those pings is extremely high because of the fact that i
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investigated several different possibilities of what else it might be including monitor beacons that are used in the ocean on various species to track them and those do operate in that same frequency. however, what i discovered is the ones that ping at one-second intervals and operate on that frequency, have not been manufactured for decades. the chance that a battery would survive that long is pretty slim. at this point i ruled out in my mind any other possibility than a beacon from that black box. >> i think we've heard from viewers on twitter and online that there is so much debris that hasn't washed up on australian shore is shocking to people this far out. always a delight to have you with us. thanks so much. ahead at this hour, why didn't the emergency beacons aboard flight 370 work? they didn't send distress signals to satellites overhead. does that mean the plane didn't crash? (mom) when our little girl was born,
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pieces. he chose it as shelter. the case is under investigation. the big question is he in fact there by choice or is something else going on here? we'll let you know when we hear more. >> back to the mystery of mh370. there is hope that maybe the jet didn't crash. there were onboard four emergency beacons on that plane. if the plane went down, they should have sent a signal. not one of them did. >> theoe nothing happened. so what's going on? let's bring in jeff. almost half of the questions that the families presented to the malaysian government were about these beacons. is the absence of any information from these beacons any signal as big of a deal as families are making? >> this is something the families are concerned about. the malaysian authorities
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haven't been forthright in producing and raises the question why not? what equipment was onboard this plane? if the plane crashes, you would expect that the transmitter will send out a signal sent out by satellite. it should be picked up. the signal will contain information about where the aircraft is. there's even a contact telephone number that authorities can call just to make sure it's not a false alarm. an older version will take longer to locate and so it would be very useful to know is it the older kind, newer kind and families jucht want to knst wan basic information. the fact they didn't receive a signal doesn't necessarily mean that that units weren't operational. for instance, when captain sullenberger landed on the huds hudson, he did it gently enough it didn't trigger the g-force
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detectors that trigger these devices. >> i talked about failure rate. i want to bring in jeff tillman. failure rate is fairly high. let's talk about what chances are that all four onboard the plane -- redundiansy there for a reason i would assume. what are chances all four would fail at the same time? jim? >> hello. are you there? >> yes, we are, jim. what are chances, jim, that all four beacons would fail at the same time? >> i think it's unlikely but a possibility. you know, i don't like the idea of saying because we don't have all of the information that we have enough so we can proceed. i feel that way about this whole investigation. we have heard over and over again and i heard you ask in the last hour, you know, the fact that we don't have anything better does not mean that what
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we have is perfect. it doesn't. i just wish we could open up this investigation. i wish we could go to the point where they are open-minded and flexible. as we look at every possibility since that's where we are. just possibilities and assumptions. >> i think transparency is something that the families would like to see. what lessons have we learned about the emergency transmitters? >> the nature of plane crashes is such that they just won't survive. sometimes when planes hit very hard and the beacons could just be destroyed on impact. also if these things are underwater, they're not going to transmit. that's the nature of radio waves and water. >> thank you for joining us. appreciate it. ahead at this hour, under intense pressure from the angry families of those onboard flight 370, the prime minister of malaysia now speaks out speaking really for the first time to our richard qwest in an exclusive
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comcast business built for business. as we know each day that goes by, families of passengers on flights 370 grow more emotional. our richard qwest got an interview with the malaysian prime minister. take a listen. >> over the course of the seven weeks, the relationship between the families and both the airline and the malaysian government has continued to deteriorate. the families believe that they are not being given information. the airline says they are providing that which they ask. the government says they do provide many briefings so there's a huge disconnect
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between the various views and i asked the prime minister, whatever he may think they were doing, the families clearly are unhappy. >> the next of kin continue to ask questions and they believe they're not getting the answers. they believe that various technical facts are not given to them. can you tonight reassure them that they are being given the information and they believe they're not, that you personally will make sure that they will. >> i know this is a very excruciatingly painful time for them. we have done our best. we did many, many briefings. we gave them as much information as we could in terms of information that could would be corroborated. and as i promised, next week we'll release the preliminary
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i think on balance we did a lot of good things and that's one of the biggest things we did was to put together 26 nations in the largest ever search operation conducted during peace time. that's a huge success for malaysia. we made mistakes. there were shortcomings. the world must realize that this is totally unprecedented. >> now, if this is all moving into another phase where the bluefin-21 is going to go to different areas and it could take longer and it's going to be more expensive. ultimately the families are going to still be seeking answers and that could once again raise tensions. >> richard qwest, thank you for that. interesting interview. i had a chance to speak with one of the family members.
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he said this term unprecedented bothered him. at what point was it unprecedented? when the plane made a turn? when the plane went off radar? he wants to do that. that's the concern of getting questions answered. >> i spoke with sara, another family member. her partner was on that flight. what did she think about the malaysian prime minister's comments? i'll give you a hint. she didn't like them one bit. we'll have more from that interview just ahead. huh, 15 minutes could save you 15% or more on car insurance. everybody knows that. well, did you know that game show hosts should only host game shows? samantha, do you take kevin as your lawfully wedded husband... or would you rather have a new caaaaaar!!!! say hello to the season's hottest convertible... ohhh....and say goodbye to samantha. [ male announcer ] geico. 15 minutes could save you 15% or more.
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i know this is a very, very excruciatingly painful time for them. i understand that. and we've done our best. we did many, many briefings. and we gave them as much information as we could. in terms of information that could be -- that were corroborated. as i promised next week we will release the preliminary report that we sent. but the most important information that they want and, sadly, the one that we cannot provide, is where is the plane. >> that was mallargs prime minister speaking with our richard quest. >> on "ac 360" i spoke with the partner of phillip wood, a passenger on flight 370. we wanted to get a sense of what
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the family members think. sara has been so critical of how the investigation is handled, so critical of the lack of information coming from malaysian authorities. you got to hear her reaction to the prime minister's comments. >> this is an elected official who has a legal and moral accountability to protect the interests of the citizens of his country. and, you know, the people on his team are only his tools to use to lead. it is squarely on his should s. if he has not held that team accountable to doing what they're supposed to do. actions speak louder than words. the briefings both in malaysia and china have been a joke. at the beginning, they actually had officials at those meetings who would sleep in the meetings, they would laugh at the questions produced by the families, they would not answer the questions. it's been a recurring theme. and the patience level of the family's group is just gone. not only with the fudging of the
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investigation but also with the really irresponsible and disrespectful treatment of the families. >> sara, there was one point he made or actually one thing he didn't say. he refused now to say he believes the plane is lost. where just one month ago, he seemed to indicate, you know, he said the words that the flight ended in the indian ocean. what do you make of what seems to be a contradiction here? >> i make that out to be political maneuvering. i mean, i think that maybe they're starting to open their eyes a little bit to the fact that some mistakes have been made and it's best to reallocate blame to someone else. you do that by backing off of your statement. this is not an unprecedented situation. it's only an unprecedented outcome. there's been multiple terrorists attacks where the transponder was turned off, yet they ignored that. there have been multiple issues of planes being taken and used as weapons. they ignored that. there have been multiple instances of family groups
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rallying together and fighting for the truth and they have ignored us too. >> you can see this is a relationship at this point which seems irreb raably harmed. >> it's hard to imagine it coming back. there's not much confidence in it at all. we're going to take a short break here. ahead at this hour, amile ya air hart disappeared while trying to fly around the world. will flight 370 become the latest unsolved mystery? (mom) when our little girl was born, we got a subaru. it's where she said her first word. (little girl) no! saw her first day of school. (little girl) bye bye! made a best friend forever. the back seat of my subaru is where she grew up. what? (announcer) the 2015 subaru forester (girl) what? (announcer) built to be there for your family. love. it's what makes a subaru, a subaru.
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this is a expert from syracuse university joining us. i think many of us here at cnn and beyond are interested in the fact that americans, particularly, have this fascination with this ongoing mystery, more so than even around the world. woo do you think that is? >> right. even people nearby where they think the plane is or even in china where many of the passengers were from don't seem to have the same constant sort of appetite for these kinds of -- for this story. part of that is that we have lots of places to continue to fill that appetite. and the more information we get, the more we become interested and i don't know why we wouldn't. i mean, this is a fascinating story. the age where everything is being, you know, is able to be monitored and traced and all the rest, this enormous plane filled with enormous people, has disappeared. now, when they eventually find
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it, whether or not this remains a big story will depend on what they find out happened to the plane. if it just crashed from some kind of malfunction or whatever, then i think this story will go away quickly. if it turns out to be some horrible mischief, then k depending on what that brings out. if they never find it, and two years goes by, three years go by, then of course this becomes one of the biggest legends and mysteries out there. it's a big plane. a lot of people. it's amelia earhart times a lot. >> what happened, you get people leading expeditions to search for it, you get false alarms that set off a frenzy of interest around the world. what do you think? >> yeah, what happens i suppose to some extend is a continuation of what's happening now, but it gets -- it gets spread out over
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time. but, yes, eventually you get tv specials, you get people with better technologies and you get all kinds of speculation of, you know, a beam came down and took it out into space and whatever happened on "lost" happened in real life. we're already getting those kinds of theories now. and the longer a plane like this is gone, the more and more outrageous the invitations are to speculate as to what happened. when science doesn't give you answers, you have to go outside of rash nallty to look for them. >> robert thompson is a popular culture expert at syracuse university, looking at this sort of obsession with this mystery. thanks so much for joining us. i wonder if, you know, airplane travel is something most of us use, it's hard for us to imagine most of this would simply disappear. >> the way this developed is unprecedented. there were kws, was it
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terrorism, was it not terrorism? the unknown is huge. we could ent either important phase here where that bluefin begins a new search. so stay with us for any information about that. thanks for joining us at this hour. >> "legal view" with ashleigh banfield starts right now. hello, everyone. i'm ashleigh banfield. it is friday, april 25th. welcome to "legal view." it's one more week that's come and gone in the search for mh-370. now seven weeks have passed and australians are not giving up on that themed bluefin. after 13 trips to very near the bottom of the southern indian ocean, the sonar scanning drone on loan from the united states navy has covered almost the entirety of a circle drawn around those pings that were detected way, way back on april the 8th. those

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